Mr Niño - In your interview 00:45:51 Mr. Saleam says NSN is a cult and a dead end. He says that what they say about national socialism is cultic - and at 00:46:04 he says that were he young he wouldn't want to be involved in a cult - he'd want to be in a movement that does something.
When Mr Saleam was younger, some might say he joined a neo-nazi "cult" party, National Socialist Party of Australia. He was detained for his role in firebombing a communist bookstore, but seems to have avoided conviction. Later he founded his own tiny, militant and authoritarian party, National Action, which some would call a cult. The Australian authorities went scorched earth on National Action and its spinoff groups; the state did whatever it took to imprison them.
Mr Saleam got 3 years for providing a shotgun used to attack an ANC guy's home. Some of his NA associates were more rowdy: one got 13 years for firebombing and robbing.
You can't keep him down. https://www.smh.com.au/national/rightwing-genie-out-of-the-bottle-20090708-ddfk.html "Australia First began its return to federal politics on Australia Day, when Mr Saleam managed to associate himself with a mob of teenagers chanting nationalist slogans at Manly - a gathering which was played down by politicians and the police media unit, but which is being investigated as possibly the first act of co-ordinated racism since the Cronulla riots in 2005."
That last bit sounds like the Australia Day antics of NSN.
Based on all that stuff, I find it odd that Mr Saleam says (00:45:51), were he a young man he'd avoid dead-end neo-nazi cults like NSN - because when he was a young man he joined and founded radical right groups that seem to behave like NSN, only more reckless.
Also, if you talk to him again, it'd be interesting to hear him talk about arson vs "speech crimes". It seems the radicals of Mr Saleam's generation did a lot of arson, which is unthinkable now. Groups associated with arson, unless they are state-sanctioned like antifa, will be classed as international terror groups, equivalent to Al Qaeda. The "international" angle comes for free due to the internet and credit cards, and gives the state more authority to crush a group.
Accordingly, NSN avoided activities like arson and just did speech. Leftist academic experts kvetched that NSN's fashy-cool logos weren't technically illegal as they weren't "nazi" - and that the NSN were evil genuises when it came to provoking people legally. The state finally resorted to a ban, which is a victory for NSN. They showed who run things and what they'll do to silence dissent.
The NSN is gone, but I assume they'd put it like so: "You are goyim who serve the Epstein class. If you say, share, wear or make a gesture Dvir Abramovich doesn't like, the police will arrest you for terorrizing him. If an African stabs your kid, complain politely or you risk a terror charge."
Those who understand the situation knew that Dr Saleam and another individual engaged in subterfuge against the Nazi party in Qld. There is a supporting statement from his partner. That photo was taken without his knowledge when he was "obliged" under threat of violence to wear the armband. Don't believe what you read in the msm.
No. Nothing at all like James Mason. But they did correspond over a matter when Jim was researching for a university thesis about the American Far Right.
I'm curious if you really don't see how Saleam's life is like that of James Mason. Didn't they both join groups with swastika logos and neo-nazi ideologies? Didn't they both associate with the sort of people who'd firebomb Marxist bookstores and shoot up the homes of communist activists?
Let's suppose the young Saleam and Mason are at a party filled with "normal" people - assuming they find each other (perhaps they are both wearing brown outfits with edgy armbands and holding their dog-eared copy of "Mein Kampf") - aren't they going to have more in common with each other than the "normal" guests?
I can't even credit a remark like that. First up, the "firebombing" is just a conflated way of saying he did some minor damage to a book shop owned by communist when he was young. But not because he was a 'communist' but due to a dispute over claims of theft the owner made against another person known to him. As to the rest, you have no idea about the man's life or work but it's all out there. If your aim is to use this chat to discredit him then it won't succeed. I have nothing more to say on the topic.
Jim Saleam is Australia's pre-eminent nationalist. As you see here, none of those masquerading as 'nationalists' in Australia can compete with him knowledge-wise, or intellectually. And he is a humble man. May people listen to this.
What would you say to the comment that Jim has faded into irrelevance?
It seems that the only breed of nationalism that actually garners any attention does not include Jim. This remains true even if we completely ignored the massive presence of NSN, Thomas Sewell, Joel Davis, Blair Cottrell and others in that sphere.
Aside from these names, we now have the BAC, ANA, MFA, and many other groups with much larger platforms and interaction than Jim. Further, nationalist publications like the Noticer cannot be ignored either, which get more reach in a day than Jim would get in a year.
Jim seems to be largely remembered by old-heads, and his AFP project seems to have become a joke due to that penguin guy's 'schizo rants', as well as the actions of Tristan Davies.
I would say you're an agent provocateur typical of that 'far-right' milieu that has hijacked the term 'nationalism' while promoting a grab-bag of unrelated, nebulous persons and groupings that are working in the interests of anti-nationalist forces. They spring up like toadstools and then disappear when they’re no longer useful, but the Australia First Party and Jim Saleam remain. They may not get the media coverage of the ‘others’ but that is by design. So, I would say you know your intentions in making these moronic remarks but I would ask this of your limited ability to reason: If those people stood for ‘Australia First’ and are truly nationalist, why would they not support the Australia First Party--which has never compromised its principles unlike ALL the others--but gravitate instead to ‘far-right’ conservative-linked shadow groups, neo-Nazi cultists, and youth-oriented pigeon-netters pedalling the same ‘Anglo conservatism’ that led to multiracial Australia? I would say that 'irrelevance' is in the eye of the beholder since we continue to enjoy strong membership, and have the support of genuine Australians in the community, and not 'edgy' tribal youths from privileged backgrounds expressing teenage rebellion on social media while in service to everything they claim to oppose. I would say that the problem is that these people are more comfortable within a 'peer group' than listening to genuine nationalists who lived through a White Australia that they gab on about but have never experienced. I would call them the problem, and put you in that category. You lot will soon exit the stage but since you've been acting on a non-nationalist platform all along the true nationalists will remain. We are used to this war on us from the Liberal-concocted 'far-right'. I would say that you hold up AFP members to criteria that is never explained and dismiss them based, not on any demonstrable fault, but on prejudice alone -- a criteria you never extend to those in groups with messy pasts, who switch positions like they scratch themselves, and who do more harm than good. Finally, before I cut off from engaging with any more trolls like yourself, I would point out that if Jim Saleam and AFP are so irrelevant, why do you lot constantly invest your energies into making that claim? You are not nationalists, and you are not relevant to the struggle for Australian independence. Your lack of effort to that goal places you elsewhere and makes you irrelevant to us. Remember, we never got the 'swastika' banned, or the 'Roman salute' or any of the rest of it. But your heroes did. They took away your toys. If you're BAC, then why were you podgy monarchists secretly abetting the neo-Nazis? Anyway, it's a standard tactic of your lot to come and 'ratio' in comments sections like this. If you find fewer nationalists responding that's because we live in the real world. Finally, Jack, it's always better optics not to "like" your own posts.
I'm sure there are some big rocks in the ocean which the tide doesn't move, but who cares in the grand scheme of things? They are irrelevant and do nothing. Jim and AFP seem to be the same case.
There are many reasons people would not support the AFP - the people involved are perhaps the key reason. I don't think people would want to support a party with the Jewish Penguin and Tristan Davies involved in it.
The Penguin and Jim both are known to have gravitated towards Nazism.
How will everyone else exit the stage? What a strange comment.
Do you really think the Noticer, NSN, BAC and ANA are Liberal concocted? Really? I suspect John MacGowan is behind them all too hahaha
AFP are irrelevant - in all honesty, people interact with them in the same as how people comment on videos uploaded by those mentally and physically impaired. Sometimes it's fun to interact with the freakshow.
So called Anglo Nationalists are actually nationalists. Nationalism is based on blood, per the very origin and definition of the word. There is no magic Australian blood, as there is no magic soil. I would posit that the AFP are actually not nationalists.
I'm not in NSN and never have been, but you weren't able to get the Swastika or Roman Salute banned because you are so irrelevant and incapable. You couldn't have gotten it banned if you tried.
And finally I'll like my own posts when I think they deserve it.
"So called Anglo nationalists are actually nationalists." You sir, are a clown in search of a circus. You have no politics, but platitudes. "Anglo Nationalism" denotes an atavistic assumption about 'British Australians'. Britain had no truck with White Australia, and if you read even, like, a sentence of history you might learn so. Australians are Australians--White man of the land with a project to create a classless, egalitarian, White working man's paradise free from the yoke of the imperialist 'class system'. That is the basis of nationalism. You can come here a Greek, or any White nationality, because in two generations you'll have produced Aussies -- if the will is there. Anglo ignores our Irish, Welsh, German, et al, constituents. Your theory would have the same of Americans, or Boers, Canadians or New Zealanders. Hell, even The Sopranos touched on this subject in an early episode when the main characters visited Italy: Is an Italian-American Italian or American? They certainly weren't welcomed as Italian. This was written by an Italian-American who understood the dilemma. If you cannot figure this simple arithmetic then I suggest that you shift from politics and take up crayons. Or else, you have a singular notion of 'transplanted Britons,' which is agin the very idea of the Labourist tradition that spawned Australian Nationalism. So, please junior, no more of your tiresome gibberish. Your views are irrelevant since you are not a nationalist but a far-right hawk for Britain First. That's a project that arrived too late. It seems every time we get a bit of an audience you jesters panic and swarm in to 'ratio' the comments. This is not X. Fob off and salute the Union Jack you goof. Now, I have work to do.
* Bonus fact: The reason you "like" your own posts is because nobody else will.
* Bonus, bonus fact: You are presently engaged with 'The Penguin' and never a more vociferous critic of the cult of neo-Nazism have I been. As for Jim, get out of here. You are a newbie polluted by Frank Salter or baby boy John Lawson's misinformation, and it wasn't hard for him to skewer your brain since there is little meat between the bone and the skewer.
Mr Niño - In your interview 00:45:51 Mr. Saleam says NSN is a cult and a dead end. He says that what they say about national socialism is cultic - and at 00:46:04 he says that were he young he wouldn't want to be involved in a cult - he'd want to be in a movement that does something.
When Mr Saleam was younger, some might say he joined a neo-nazi "cult" party, National Socialist Party of Australia. He was detained for his role in firebombing a communist bookstore, but seems to have avoided conviction. Later he founded his own tiny, militant and authoritarian party, National Action, which some would call a cult. The Australian authorities went scorched earth on National Action and its spinoff groups; the state did whatever it took to imprison them.
Mr Saleam got 3 years for providing a shotgun used to attack an ANC guy's home. Some of his NA associates were more rowdy: one got 13 years for firebombing and robbing.
You can't keep him down. https://www.smh.com.au/national/rightwing-genie-out-of-the-bottle-20090708-ddfk.html "Australia First began its return to federal politics on Australia Day, when Mr Saleam managed to associate himself with a mob of teenagers chanting nationalist slogans at Manly - a gathering which was played down by politicians and the police media unit, but which is being investigated as possibly the first act of co-ordinated racism since the Cronulla riots in 2005."
That last bit sounds like the Australia Day antics of NSN.
Based on all that stuff, I find it odd that Mr Saleam says (00:45:51), were he a young man he'd avoid dead-end neo-nazi cults like NSN - because when he was a young man he joined and founded radical right groups that seem to behave like NSN, only more reckless.
Also, if you talk to him again, it'd be interesting to hear him talk about arson vs "speech crimes". It seems the radicals of Mr Saleam's generation did a lot of arson, which is unthinkable now. Groups associated with arson, unless they are state-sanctioned like antifa, will be classed as international terror groups, equivalent to Al Qaeda. The "international" angle comes for free due to the internet and credit cards, and gives the state more authority to crush a group.
Accordingly, NSN avoided activities like arson and just did speech. Leftist academic experts kvetched that NSN's fashy-cool logos weren't technically illegal as they weren't "nazi" - and that the NSN were evil genuises when it came to provoking people legally. The state finally resorted to a ban, which is a victory for NSN. They showed who run things and what they'll do to silence dissent.
The NSN is gone, but I assume they'd put it like so: "You are goyim who serve the Epstein class. If you say, share, wear or make a gesture Dvir Abramovich doesn't like, the police will arrest you for terorrizing him. If an African stabs your kid, complain politely or you risk a terror charge."
Those who understand the situation knew that Dr Saleam and another individual engaged in subterfuge against the Nazi party in Qld. There is a supporting statement from his partner. That photo was taken without his knowledge when he was "obliged" under threat of violence to wear the armband. Don't believe what you read in the msm.
The younger Saleam sounds like the young James Mason. Was he not like that? What would a camera have seen?
No. Nothing at all like James Mason. But they did correspond over a matter when Jim was researching for a university thesis about the American Far Right.
I'm curious if you really don't see how Saleam's life is like that of James Mason. Didn't they both join groups with swastika logos and neo-nazi ideologies? Didn't they both associate with the sort of people who'd firebomb Marxist bookstores and shoot up the homes of communist activists?
Let's suppose the young Saleam and Mason are at a party filled with "normal" people - assuming they find each other (perhaps they are both wearing brown outfits with edgy armbands and holding their dog-eared copy of "Mein Kampf") - aren't they going to have more in common with each other than the "normal" guests?
I can't even credit a remark like that. First up, the "firebombing" is just a conflated way of saying he did some minor damage to a book shop owned by communist when he was young. But not because he was a 'communist' but due to a dispute over claims of theft the owner made against another person known to him. As to the rest, you have no idea about the man's life or work but it's all out there. If your aim is to use this chat to discredit him then it won't succeed. I have nothing more to say on the topic.
Great podcast. As an American (Anglo), I agree with his sentiment completely. This is exactly how I feel about America.
Jim Saleam is Australia's pre-eminent nationalist. As you see here, none of those masquerading as 'nationalists' in Australia can compete with him knowledge-wise, or intellectually. And he is a humble man. May people listen to this.
Hi Nathan,
What would you say to the comment that Jim has faded into irrelevance?
It seems that the only breed of nationalism that actually garners any attention does not include Jim. This remains true even if we completely ignored the massive presence of NSN, Thomas Sewell, Joel Davis, Blair Cottrell and others in that sphere.
Aside from these names, we now have the BAC, ANA, MFA, and many other groups with much larger platforms and interaction than Jim. Further, nationalist publications like the Noticer cannot be ignored either, which get more reach in a day than Jim would get in a year.
Jim seems to be largely remembered by old-heads, and his AFP project seems to have become a joke due to that penguin guy's 'schizo rants', as well as the actions of Tristan Davies.
I would say you're an agent provocateur typical of that 'far-right' milieu that has hijacked the term 'nationalism' while promoting a grab-bag of unrelated, nebulous persons and groupings that are working in the interests of anti-nationalist forces. They spring up like toadstools and then disappear when they’re no longer useful, but the Australia First Party and Jim Saleam remain. They may not get the media coverage of the ‘others’ but that is by design. So, I would say you know your intentions in making these moronic remarks but I would ask this of your limited ability to reason: If those people stood for ‘Australia First’ and are truly nationalist, why would they not support the Australia First Party--which has never compromised its principles unlike ALL the others--but gravitate instead to ‘far-right’ conservative-linked shadow groups, neo-Nazi cultists, and youth-oriented pigeon-netters pedalling the same ‘Anglo conservatism’ that led to multiracial Australia? I would say that 'irrelevance' is in the eye of the beholder since we continue to enjoy strong membership, and have the support of genuine Australians in the community, and not 'edgy' tribal youths from privileged backgrounds expressing teenage rebellion on social media while in service to everything they claim to oppose. I would say that the problem is that these people are more comfortable within a 'peer group' than listening to genuine nationalists who lived through a White Australia that they gab on about but have never experienced. I would call them the problem, and put you in that category. You lot will soon exit the stage but since you've been acting on a non-nationalist platform all along the true nationalists will remain. We are used to this war on us from the Liberal-concocted 'far-right'. I would say that you hold up AFP members to criteria that is never explained and dismiss them based, not on any demonstrable fault, but on prejudice alone -- a criteria you never extend to those in groups with messy pasts, who switch positions like they scratch themselves, and who do more harm than good. Finally, before I cut off from engaging with any more trolls like yourself, I would point out that if Jim Saleam and AFP are so irrelevant, why do you lot constantly invest your energies into making that claim? You are not nationalists, and you are not relevant to the struggle for Australian independence. Your lack of effort to that goal places you elsewhere and makes you irrelevant to us. Remember, we never got the 'swastika' banned, or the 'Roman salute' or any of the rest of it. But your heroes did. They took away your toys. If you're BAC, then why were you podgy monarchists secretly abetting the neo-Nazis? Anyway, it's a standard tactic of your lot to come and 'ratio' in comments sections like this. If you find fewer nationalists responding that's because we live in the real world. Finally, Jack, it's always better optics not to "like" your own posts.
I'm sure there are some big rocks in the ocean which the tide doesn't move, but who cares in the grand scheme of things? They are irrelevant and do nothing. Jim and AFP seem to be the same case.
There are many reasons people would not support the AFP - the people involved are perhaps the key reason. I don't think people would want to support a party with the Jewish Penguin and Tristan Davies involved in it.
The Penguin and Jim both are known to have gravitated towards Nazism.
How will everyone else exit the stage? What a strange comment.
Do you really think the Noticer, NSN, BAC and ANA are Liberal concocted? Really? I suspect John MacGowan is behind them all too hahaha
AFP are irrelevant - in all honesty, people interact with them in the same as how people comment on videos uploaded by those mentally and physically impaired. Sometimes it's fun to interact with the freakshow.
So called Anglo Nationalists are actually nationalists. Nationalism is based on blood, per the very origin and definition of the word. There is no magic Australian blood, as there is no magic soil. I would posit that the AFP are actually not nationalists.
I'm not in NSN and never have been, but you weren't able to get the Swastika or Roman Salute banned because you are so irrelevant and incapable. You couldn't have gotten it banned if you tried.
And finally I'll like my own posts when I think they deserve it.
"So called Anglo nationalists are actually nationalists." You sir, are a clown in search of a circus. You have no politics, but platitudes. "Anglo Nationalism" denotes an atavistic assumption about 'British Australians'. Britain had no truck with White Australia, and if you read even, like, a sentence of history you might learn so. Australians are Australians--White man of the land with a project to create a classless, egalitarian, White working man's paradise free from the yoke of the imperialist 'class system'. That is the basis of nationalism. You can come here a Greek, or any White nationality, because in two generations you'll have produced Aussies -- if the will is there. Anglo ignores our Irish, Welsh, German, et al, constituents. Your theory would have the same of Americans, or Boers, Canadians or New Zealanders. Hell, even The Sopranos touched on this subject in an early episode when the main characters visited Italy: Is an Italian-American Italian or American? They certainly weren't welcomed as Italian. This was written by an Italian-American who understood the dilemma. If you cannot figure this simple arithmetic then I suggest that you shift from politics and take up crayons. Or else, you have a singular notion of 'transplanted Britons,' which is agin the very idea of the Labourist tradition that spawned Australian Nationalism. So, please junior, no more of your tiresome gibberish. Your views are irrelevant since you are not a nationalist but a far-right hawk for Britain First. That's a project that arrived too late. It seems every time we get a bit of an audience you jesters panic and swarm in to 'ratio' the comments. This is not X. Fob off and salute the Union Jack you goof. Now, I have work to do.
* Bonus fact: The reason you "like" your own posts is because nobody else will.
* Bonus, bonus fact: You are presently engaged with 'The Penguin' and never a more vociferous critic of the cult of neo-Nazism have I been. As for Jim, get out of here. You are a newbie polluted by Frank Salter or baby boy John Lawson's misinformation, and it wasn't hard for him to skewer your brain since there is little meat between the bone and the skewer.